Ummm… If you own the game, making backups is perfectly legal. This isn’t piracy, this is hacking. I agree that most movie and game downloading IS PIRACY. This is not. It’s piracy if someone rips the files and distributes it. If they rip it for themselves, it’s not.
So yeah, it actually is a murky area here. You’d be going after everyone under the assumption of illegal activity vs actually targeting those commiting piracy.
The point is that this is not going to stop with someone backing up their games. Come on now let’s be honest. The internet is full of game ROMS that are “for backup only” again, come the fuck on. I’m not against pirating, but to say this isn’t it is just silly lol
A car can be used to drive from point A to point B. But sure some people have used it to ram through crowds of people to hurt or kill them. So hey, cars are murder devices. Amirite?
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99.999% (or whatever) of the time cars are used to go from A to B and there’s no real thought about it. How many people do you really think make backups for purely personal storage redundancies? This feels more like grape juice and yeast kits (or whatever) from the prohibition era.
I’m sorry but no. Anyone who’s into collecting retro gaming console knows the importance of being able to back up your game cartridges. The technology isn’t infaillible. Especially over time.
Then it should be Nintendo’s problem to come up with a business model that doesn’t infringe upon their customers’ property rights, not society’s problem to give up everybody’s rights just to enable Nintendo’s DRM-based business model!
Then you punish the actual criminals, not everyone.
There are plenty of us who prefer the steam deck over the switch. You can pull the encryption keys from your own console and the roms from your own games and play them there. There are numerous tutorials to do so.
People use knives to stab people. Should we ban all knives?
You’re being hyperbolic and narrow-minded.
Backing up a game is legal. End of story. There’s plenty of legal precedent there already. So you’re literally arguing that the law is not the law because of your emotional feelings.
You want to change that? Change the law. Stop being a jackass on social here tho spouting bad takes when you just don’t agree.
People use knives to stab people. Should we ban all knives?
Actually in plenty countries, plenty types of knives are not legal to carry because their primary purpose (of the type) is in attacking people, which is never a valid reason to have it as a result.
Much like how with the US exception, most industrialized nations don’t allow free ownership of most guns.
So if anything, that’s a bad argument to make as there’s a lot of precedent suggesting banning such dumping devices entirely might be warranted. I wouldn’t support that, but the argument you try to use as a defense exactly supports a ban.
Mind you, the ban would be on buying/owning/importing such a device, not in the actual dumping. As in, you are legally allowed to dump your games, only you cannot acquire the device to do so as it has been shown to be primarily meant to be used for illegal purposes (usually this would mean there are privosion so that for scientific/research purposes you can acquire them).An example would be the R4 import/purchase ban in a few countries.
So, only knives that have no legitimate purpose other than to cause harm are banned? A switch blade is banned while a filet knife is not. Both knives are equally capable of being tools for murder, but the filet knife can be used in hunting, fishing, and cooking. All legitimate uses. While the switchblade isn’t really feasible in any scenario outside of a fight.
It’s not the presence of illegitimate uses that gives rise to the ban. It’s the absence of legitimate uses.
Saying theres no legit way to use these is exactly why yuzu was so easily taken down, so even if youre pro or anti piracy, spreading false information about this is harmful to the hacking community.
Yuzu was taken down because lawyers and people who follow the letter of the law said it was illegal. Which it was. You think it happened cause of a random internet opinion?
Anyways this is the funniest thread on Lemmy. A bunch of fellow pirates doing pirate shit and pretending like they’re doing altruism lol
Yes what lawyers are known for, following the letter of the law.
But wait! Dont lawyers occasionally fight on which side of the law is correct?? What could be true then??
It’s kind of condescending to assume everyone does the same thing you do. Even if it’s a majority.
Or are you assuming that no one backs up media for the sake of backing it up? Cause that’s… pretty nearsighted.
I would say less than 1% of gamers backup their games
Based on what evidence? Your emotions?
What evidence do you have that most of this is used for legitimate backup purposes only?
Should the rights of even one person doing a legitimate thing be squandered because some others are nefarious?
What if I said you couldn’t have your favorite food because someone found a way to use it to poison people?
If you give that response, the other commenter vaporizes. Fascinating!
Why is nobody able to admit when someone has a point anymore? Learning and collaboration should be the point of the internet.
Because it’s fucking pointless to respond when one side won’t even admit to piracy being a thing.
One person asked for evidence for piracy, which we all know happens, it’s not a minor thing but sources are all over the place, and everyone going ‘see piracy isn’t a thing’. Well proves the other side then. Prove how many people only use these devices legitimately.
You can’t. You can only say legitimate uses happen, piracy uses happen. And don’t fucking bullshit me that those rcm jigs were mostly sold for homebrew only.
It’s a pointless conversation at this point because I asked for evidence and the response is strawman, changing the topic to justification, just like the NRA does and there’s no benefit to continue and just leave it at that.
And? I’d say less than 1% pirate. I can throw in random unfounded metrics too. Still doesn’t change the point. Just because you don’t doesn’t mean someone else won’t. Which again isn’t even the point of the article.
The point is someone could backup their game and sell it. The buyer being unaware it would ban their console.
So there’s no way to have a reasonable conservation with YOU
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